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From:Jon Voight , Trent Ford , Tamara Hope , Terence Stamp , Krisinda Cain , Sony , Christopher Cain , Sony Pictures ,
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1 of 4 customers found the following review helpful:
 The PAST as judged by the PRESENT, 2008-09-04
The film takes the anti-Mormon historical accounts of the event as fact. Again, modern Americans use a cinematic event to judge and condemn people of former times with current attitudes. This gives modern Americans the opportunity to feel righteous indignation against other people. YES the event did happen. Did Brigham Young order it or did John D. Lee commit the massacre on his own? Since we can only read what is written by observers of the times we will never know. This will not stop modern bigots who were not there in 1857 from using this film to condemn the Mormon Church of today. Anything to be offended. It provides these hypocrites the same self-satisfaction that Krystalnacht provided the Nazis.
4 of 6 customers found the following review helpful:
 A movie of hate, to condemn hate--how ironic!, 2008-08-30
I think this could have been an important and powerful story to tell. But like any movie "based on real events", there is an obligation to at least get the general facts right. Sadly, that opportunity was not only missed, but it seems clear, intentionally distorted by the producer who stated in interviews that his film was to show his disdain for relgion and his belief that all relgion leads to fanatical acts of violence. It was his ode to moral relativism between Muslim fanatics and Christian fanatics. But, sadly, that ain't history Mr. Cain! His film lacks all perspective in its haste to show Mormons as evil. In his haste to make one-dimensional villains of the Mormons, to draw his imagined parallel to all religous fanatics, Caine even forgot to give the most basic context to explain the back story of the paranoia and fear that culminated in the massacre. He forgot to mention the approaching attack of Johnston's army into the Utah territory believed to be coming to attack the Mormons, or the 600 dead Mormons along their "trail of tears", nor the stolen farms, murdered leaders, and "wolf-hunt" atrocities committed by the anti-Mormon mobs on the Mormons from 1836 to 1846. Yet, in this "hollywood" movie, made for profit, only the basic colors of black and white are used, creating both false history, and poor story-telling. Yes, the tale is tragic, but as they say; "the devil's in the details." Most glaringly, the facts in history actually do NOT show a Brigham Young conspiracy, which is the core smear of this movie. Historical facts show that Brigham Young was not even aware of the Fancher party problems (300 miles away) until the massacre had already happened. No phones, ya know! But, for people who like sound-bite history, with the evil slathering villains always clearly defined with silly, fanatical hand-gestures and wild eyed foaming dimentia...then this is the film for you. The sad thing is the story itself is compelling BECAUSE of the true facts. Yet when this film ignores the facts, and instead goes for over-dramatic, simplistic fictionalized buffoonish characters, it actually undermines the real drama by simplistic, bombastic drama-of-the-week drivel. It becomes a vehicle of the very bigotry and hate, that it would pretend to condemn. I found it amateurish, dishonest, and clearly designed to malign and smear instead of inform. This story still needs to be told. But sadly, this piece of drivel doesn't do it. It's a propaganda film full of the very same deluded, self-righteous, condescending anti-religious hatred that it rants against. Plus...it's just BAD acting. To accentuate the soulessness of the Mormons, they have to be drawn as wooden, robotic, colorless drones--which also sucks the life blood out of the movie itself. I was kinda glad when the butchery started, as at least it woke me up. And frankly, by that point I was kinda hoping somebody would start killing the actors! It SUCKS for so many reasons! A good film however to demonstrate how to make a bad propaganda film. Can someone with talent and some sense of historical obligation try this again please?
1 of 3 customers found the following review helpful:
 With the proper respect due to any organized religion that, 2008-08-20
is tax exempt. If it is a true event, it really speaks volumes about the intellegence of the people and I've read that the human race gets dumber every generation. Boy are we in trouble!
2 of 3 customers found the following review helpful:
Greatly One Sided, 2008-08-19
It always amazes me how so called Historians and Writers, take a one sided view of History and write their movies and books to express their view points. In this movie it is very clear the writer and director are very anti Mormon and thus want to portray all Mormons in a negative light. Yes they say they did their research, but to what extent. What was it they were really looking for. Mormons have acknowledged the fact that Mountain Meadows happened and was a tragedy. However it was a group of misguided and misinformed individuals who took matters into their own hands. The entire LDS Church should not be blamed as should not the entire United States for the tragedies that happened at Kirtland Ohio, Hawn's Mill in Missouri, Far West Missouri, Governor Boggs of Missouri and his extermination of Mormons order, and Nauvoo Ill. Entire communities, The Baptist, Methodist, Catholics, Lutherans, etc., of those areas should not be blamed for Mormon property being seized, women being raped, families being terrorized, yes men, women and children being murdered, the tar and feathering and the forced exodus of a religious group from a country which is suppose to protect religious freedom. But no. No historian or writer will create a movie with this fact in mind to show the terror Mormon people experienced in the 1830's, & 1840's and shed a negative light on other religious groups and the the United States Government for the failure to support and defend its Constitution. With that said the movie "September Dawn" is a good movie for entertainment purposes only. It is not totally historically accurate and those watching should realize that. The scenes which mentioned Polygamy and the Temple scene are not factual. It reminded me of the issues of the FLDS Church which is not the LDS Church. Again, this movie should be looked at for entertainment only, and one should do their own study and research if they truly want to know the truth. Mountain Meadows was a tragedy and should never had happened, but it was a group of individuals and not the LDS Church. It should be interesting to note that the comment of one of the writers about what Brigham Young knew was not supported with any factual evidence only that he was the Governor of Utah and the President of the LDS Church and therefore would have known everything that went on in Utah. Come on people, we are talking about 1857 where travel took days as well as communication. Even today, our own political leaders don't know everything that is going on throughout our country or the world. So do your own study and research and come to your own conclusion and not that of a so called proclaimed historian and writer.
2 of 7 customers found the following review helpful:
 DYNAMITE! An indictment against organised religion at it's WORST!, 2008-08-12
I've been studying this incident for meny years, and having just seen SEPTEMBER DAWN, it rekindled my dislike and mistrust for organized religion, especially these loonies! The LDS church has NEVER come close to admitting even knowledge of the incident, much less full-blown blame for it. Brigham Young not only knew about it; he ORDERED it, just as portrayed in the film. I'm sure the Mormons are telling their members to buy all the copies they can and burn them (it should really help sales figures), but it's a terrific film and hits the point head-on about Young's complicity in it. By the way, if you ever want to get rid of Mormons who come to your door in the middle of dinner, just ask the about the Mountain Meadows Massacre and watch them RUN!!!
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